Prelude
What follows is a study that I started just to determine whether a certain individual of current prominence and relevance could actually be who I thought he could be. I could not have anticipated what I have discovered. I hope that whoever reads this finds it intriguing and thought provoking. I do believe you will if you take the time to work through it. And please do share with others as you see fit.
We have been speed walking into troublesome times for the past five years or more. Is it going to get any better?
Please read, but also be prepared that what follows will disturb and offend many. Much of what follows is direct reproduction of scripture or my words taken directly from scriptural context.
Please read. This may not be your thing. It may be foreign and you may find it difficult. I do everything I can to thoroughly walk through this message building brick by brick. I have simplified it as much as I feel comfortable but worry that some will stop reading before the end for what might be complicated. So be prepared to take a moment for this. I assure you that you will not regret working through this study. If you read it once and don’t understand, consider reading again!
I encourage you to read this in its entirety. And if you feel compelled to do so, share it and share it with everyone you know! I speculate that a more pertinent message hast not been given since the age of His disciples. And I am aware that this is not a light statement!
I’ve tried to provide all scriptural content that is required and I have been conscious to not take scripture out of context. I still encourage that a bible be available as you read for the full insight, verification and validation. The scriptural references that I provide are from the New King James Version, or NKJV.
What will be concluded is so much more than I expected to actually find and more than I can be silent about. You will see!
Logic and argument are involved. Biblical prophecy is complex. I will challenge several existing viewpoints and therefore I must be persistent in my approach. Some math is involved. It is necessary. The math is not advanced and will be straight forward for those with a background in math. To those who struggle with the math, I assure you that the math that is presented is correct but I also encourage that you trust but verify. Verify through a friend, or work it out until you understand.
The message is more important than the numbers!
I have attempted to omit nothing of relevance. A lot of time and dedication went into this study. My goal is for anyone who reads to be able to follow whether they have had interest or background in biblical study or do not. I have done my best to deliver what God has given me!
I am not a trained theologian nor historian. I do not contend to be 100% accurate historically. Theologically, I make the necessary cases as needed and support my conclusions. I extracted the history from web search. You can make the same searches. I do believe that for the purposes needed, the supporting history below, the correctness is kept in tact.
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Background
The prophetic text of Daniel is debated and largely dismissed as being written at a later date than it portrays because of how accurate the writings are in historical context. However, through the Dead Sea Scrolls, the text is dated to be at least within fifty years of the revolt of the Maccabees, a group of Hebrew fundamentalists that retaliated against Grecian Antiochus IV Epiphanes. Copies of the Book of Daniel were stored along with other canonized writings. While admittedly these copies of the text are not dated to the times claimed within the text nor before the events described within, that such new writings have been shown to be kept and stored in the same regard as the older writings of Isaiah and other prophets strengthens the fortitude of those who believe in the authenticity of Daniel’s writings. But while the dates of authorship are debated in regard to these particular events, whether the historical accounts written in Daniel were recorded prior to their known historical occurrences, the writings were unquestionably written more than a century before the time of Jesus which is a considerable realization.
It is written that Daniel was a Hebrew captive of Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar taken captive with others from Israel following Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar’s destruction of Jerusalem and its temple. The writings describe how Daniel and other Hebrew captives are able to gain favor with Nebuchadnezzar by way of revealing to the king the contents of a dream that greatly disturbed him and also the meaning of the dream. Daniel would later retain favor with a King Darius, the Mede, after the Persians conquered Babylon. King Belshazzar of Babylon, son of Nebuchadnezzar, was the last king of Babylon. Beginning under Belshazzar’s rule, Daniel began to have visions of his own and recorded them. As part of the visions, Daniel was also visited by angels and other heavenly persons. These visitors would explain to Daniel, to an extent, the meaning of what Daniel had seen in his visions. These details consume the latter half of the writings of Daniel and again are the subject of much debate.
Daniel’s visions are detailed accounts of important events that from the time they are reported to have been given are additionally explained to be both soon to occur and also afar off. Daniel reports to have experienced these visions while under the reigns of Belshazzar of Babylon, Darius the Mede, and Cyrus of Persia, and the visions tell of how the Persian empire would first supersede the Babylonian kingdom and then be conquered by the Greeks. This is the part of Daniel for which the time of the writing is greatly debated as the text describes with too much accuracy the conquering of the Persian empire by the Greeks and how the Greeks would later move into force Jerusalem to bend to Hellenistic ways and practices. To accept that the visions had occurred and been written in the times of Cyrus and before would be to accept the miraculous. The miraculous is certainly not allowed in a skeptical mind.
In the New Testament Gospels, Jesus refers to Daniel as a prophet and to events that were shown to Daniel as indications of the times to come. Most believe that Jesus’ reference is in regard to end times while some interpret the reference to be in regard to the generation to which He was speaking.
John’s book of Revelation will also be discussed. It is briefly introduced in a later section.
“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand) (Matthew 24:15)
Daniel had four dreams or visions in total. Each will be looked at in the order that they are said to have occurred. Daniel’s third vision requires much attention. These visions of Daniel will lead into John’s vision of Revelation. After that is introduced, the coherence of these writings will be used to show associations and make shocking determinations.
The Relevant Time Periods
Important time periods relating to the following discussion include the following reigns:
Belshazzar 556-539BC
Cyrus II – 559–529BC (conquers Babylon in 539BC)
Darius I – 522-486BC
Xerxes – 486-465BC
Artaxerxes – 465-424BC
Darius II – 423-404BC
Messiah – 4BC-30AD
The dates provided here are established by chronologists, are surely debatable, but are trusted and only needed as approximate.
Daniel’s First Vision (The beasts from the Sea)
Summarized from Daniel 7:1-14, 1st year of Belshazzar, king of Babylon (≈556BC):
Four beasts come out of the sea sequentially
Lion – wings of an eagle were plucked, made to stand as a man, man’s heart given to it
Bear – raised up on one side, 3 ribs in it’s teeth, ‘Arise, devour much flesh’
Leopard – four wings of a bird and four heads, dominion was given to it
Mystery – dreadful and terrible, strong, iron teeth, devouring, breaking, trampling, ten horns, three uprooted by little horn with eyes like eyes of a man and mouth speaking pompous words
This last horn wages war against the saints and prevails until the Ancient of Days comes and passes judgment in favor of the saints
Heavenly throne is established, Ancient of Days, pure and fiery
Thousands minister to him, millions stand before the court, the books are opened
The beast speaking pompous words is slain and destroyed,
The other beasts’ lives are prolonged but dominion is taken from them
Son of Man in the clouds of heaven is given the dominion, glory and kingdom
The vision is explained to Daniel by one who was standing by. (From Daniel 7:23-27) The four beasts are four kings that shall rule but the saints of the Most High will possess the kingdom. The fourth beast will be a kingdom that devours the whole of the earth. Ten kings are notable from within this final kingdom before the final king. The final king shall be proud and pompous, persecuting the saints and is given a “time and times and half a time” to oppress them. He shall intend to change times and law until his dominion is stripped from him and given to the Son of Man and the saints of the Most High.
It is commonly believed or accepted that the first beast, the lion, is a reference to the ancient kingdom of Babylon. The second beast, raised up on one side indicating an imbalance, may be or is likely a representation of the kingdoms of Persia and Media. The third beast having four heads is possibly or maybe likely a reference to the Grecian empire. These last two kingdoms will be envisioned and explained more thoroughly in subsequent visions. Many assume that the fourth beast is a reference to the Roman empire though no information is given to identify specifically this final beast whereas both the Greeks and the Persians are mentioned by name in future visions.
It is important to note that the beasts are explained to be “kings” and/or kingdoms and the horns on the head of the fourth beast are kings of the fourth kingdom. (Dan 7:17,23-24) The fourth kingdom has dominion after the third beast which is presumably the Greeks and the kings of this fourth kingdom of which ten are notable will rule through time until the heavenly court intervenes and takes dominion from the final beast and the final king who will have a dominion for a time, times, and half a time. The dominion will be given to the saints of the Most High forever. (Dan 7:26-27)
Daniel concludes this vision and confesses that he does not understand either the vision or the explanation that was provided to him. The subsequent visions that Daniel will experience will build from this foundation but will be different in significant ways. The visions as a whole are meant to be taken together for a complete story and this first dream must not be lost in the details that will be presented by the remaining discussion.
Daniel’s Second Vision (The Ram, and the Goat)
Summarized from Daniel 8:1-14, 3rd year of Belshazzar, (≈453BC):
Daniel was in Shushan, the citadel, province of Elam by the River Ulai. This is modern day Iran, northward and inland from the Persian Gulf. Daniel sees a ram with two unequal horns and the ram is pushing or expanding it’s kingdom to the west, north, and south, But a male goat comes from the west having a single horn. The goat arrives swiftly and with a force that the ram is unable to stand against. The ram is toppled and the small horn of the goat breaks and gives way to four new horns growing towards the four main directions. Out of one of the four, a new little horn arises and grows great to the south and to the east, and the Glorious Land. Daily sacrifices are taken away and the Sanctuary is cast down. He, the little horn, is given an army to do this because of transgression. It is then explained that for two-thousand-three-hundred days from the daily sacrifices being taken away, the sanctuary and the host will be trodden under until the sanctuary is cleansed.
Gabriel is called upon by a voice from between the river’s banks to explain the vision to Daniel. Gabriel explains that the ram is the Persian and Median kingdoms with presumably the smaller horn being the kings of Persia and the larger one being the kings of Media, and that the goat is the kingdom of Greece. History teaches that the first horn on the goat’s head is representative of Alexander the Great. Alexander died in his greatness from illness and his kingdom was divided between his four generals. Antiochus IV Epiphanes arises from one of those four kingdoms and is known to have caused the daily sacrifices to cease and to have defiled the Hebrew temple. He did so by sacrificing a pig, an unclean animal according to Hebrew law, on the alter of the temple and erecting a statue of the Greek god Zeus within the temple. These were insulting acts of mocking out of an arrogant desire to force Hellenistic culture and religion over and upon the Hebrews. These events are specifically identified as the abomination of desolation and will come up again later in this study. (Dan 11:31) Historically, the Maccabees revolted and eventually won freedom from the tyranny imposed upon the Hebrews by Antiochus as is also described. (Dan 11:22)
It is important to note that the first four beasts that Daniel saw are beasts that come out of the sea. These last two are different beasts altogether. The ram was already established. The goat was also already established though arriving into perspective from afar off. While an attempt has been made to relate these two animals to the first four beasts, the association is not cut and dry.
It is also important to note that the vision is here attributed to Antiochus’ actions. The suspicion is that this attributed association with Antiochus isn’t cut and dry either and that this vision is likely referring to more.
Daniel’s Third Vision (The Seventy Weeks Prophecy)
In the first year of Darius the Mede, ≈539BC, Daniel is in prayer. This Darius is a controversial figure and little is known of him historically except through this text. The assumption is that Cyrus appointed Darius over the Chaldean region as mentioned by Daniel. (Dan 9:1) The Persians had at this time conquered the Babylonian kingdom. Daniel had realized that according to Jeremiah, seventy years of captivity of the Hebrew remnant were to be fulfilled. (Jer 25:11-12, Jer 29:10) Daniel is moved into prayer for him and his people confessing to the haughtiness and transgressions that led to their captivity. While in prayer, Gabriel visits Daniel to help Daniel to understand the vision he had experienced. (Dan 9:23) Gabriel is presumably referring to the second vision. Gabriel provides the prophecy of Seventy Weeks, or Seventy Sevens:
From Daniel 9:24-27:
“Seventy sevens are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven sevens and sixty-two sevens;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
“And after the sixty-two sevens
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one sevens;
But in the middle of the seven
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
The reference to “weeks” from this passage presented from the NKJV has been intentionally replaced with “sevens” because in this particular passage, the use of “weeks” is known to be a poor translation and the distinction is important. Many translations use “weeks” and many use “sevens.”
Seven sevens, then sixty-two more sevens expands to forty-nine, then four-hundred-thirty-four for a grand total of four-hundred-eighty-three. This grand total is stated to prescribe the span of time between the order to return and rebuild Jerusalem to the Messiah. (Dan 9:25) Since this prescription of time is left vague, an evaluation of history is used to infer if and when this prophecy has transpired. Once inferred, some theological conclusions must be shaped.
Three decrees are recorded to have been given to permit the dislocated Hebrews to return and rebuild their temple and city. The first was from Cyrus, and two more followed from Artaxerxes. The decree given by the Persian Darius (Ezra 6:1) to search the records for confirmation of Cyrus’ decree seems an unlikely candidate since it only confirms that a decree had been given. From these three decrees, an anchor point must be selected marking the beginning of the Seventy Sevens to Messiah.
Cyrus’ First Decree
From Ezra 1 & 6, in the first year of Cyrus II, that is in 539BC following the conquering of Babylon, Cyrus decrees to permit the Jews to return and rebuild the temple. Also enacted with this decree, all of the temple belongings that had been taken into Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar were to be returned with the returning Hebrews.
Artaxerxes’ First Decree
From Ezra 7, in the seventh year of Artaxerxes, in 457BC, Artaxerxes decrees that Ezra the priest and any and all Hebrews within Artaxerxes realm who wish to return to Jerusalem are free to do so. Additionally, Artaxerxes provides finances to fund the function of the temple
Artaxerxes’ Second Decree
From Nehemiah 2, in the twentieth year of king Artaxerxes, around 445BC, Artaxerxes permits Nehemiah to return to build the city wall. From chapter 6, the wall was finished quickly due to opposition and threat from outside peoples. From chapter 5, Nehemiah was governor 12 years. From chapter 7, the city was not heavily populated at the time the wall was complete. From chapters 7-10, the inhabitants are registered, moved into their cities and dedication is performed in the seventh month as part of the Feast of Tabernacles. The thirty-second year of Artaxerxes, around 432 BC, is the last date specified in Nehemiah (Neh 13:6) and it follows an unspecified time after the dedication of the wall.
Seventy Sevens Anchor
The three decrees have been introduced. Now one of them must be identified as the decree referenced by Gabriel and selected as the anchor point that leads to Messiah according to this prophecy.
The Cyrus decree that allows for the Hebrews to return to Jerusalem for the purpose of restoring the temple is not likely to be the decree referenced by the Seventy Sevens prophecy. It was the first decree to make such an allowance but four-hundred-eighty-three years from the time of this decree would place the Messiah at 56BC. Since no presumed Messiah stands out from that early in the historical record that has withstood the test of time, either the prophecy is not speaking in natural years or the prophecy is not referring to this decree.
The first decree issued by Artaxerxes lacks the luster of being first and wasn’t much more than a reiteration of Cyrus’ decree. However this decree reaffirmed Cyrus’s decree after opposition had challenged the temple efforts and resulted in another wave of Hebrews returning to Jerusalem; and, it turns out to correlate easily and precisely with the baptism of Jesus. Four hundred eighty three years are between 457BC and 27AD spanning the time between Artaxerxes’ first decree and the baptism of Jesus assumed to be Messiah. While the year of Jesus’ birth would have been a considerable anchor point or epoch, His baptism is no less meaningful and is perhaps even more so as this moment marks the beginning of his ministry. It wasn’t until His ministry that He was presented to the people. Also, quite importantly, it is in His baptism that all righteousness was fulfilled. (Matt 3:15)
The second decree of Artaxerxes is likewise a relevant consideration because it is an order to return and rebuild the city wall of Jerusalem which is specifically referenced by the prophecy. Of course, it certainly isn’t too presumptuous to account that the temple reconstruction is at the core of the prophecy too despite it not saying so. When the year is assumed to be 360 days/year as is apparently consistent with Persian time keeping, Thomas-Nelson reveals that from this decree, four hundred eighty three “Persian years” later would correlate to the date of the Triumphant Entry in around 30AD. This is of course a notable epoch as well being the moment Jesus as Messiah is presented to the world to become the final sacrifice.
From Zechariah 9:9, referenced by Matthew 21:5:
“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.
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Either of the two decrees are remarkable, but only one decree can be the one to which Gabriel was referring. The selection of which decree to propagate forward from will significantly impact how the rest of the prophecy should be interpreted. Thus an evaluation must be preformed to determine which decree and which meaningful event is to be accepted as the anchor point for this prophecy.
With either of Artaxerxes decrees, Messiah is cut off after the four-hundred-eighty-three years. But it is the total of four-hundred-ninety “years” from the time of one of these decrees that “determines” the time for Daniel’s people and the city of Jerusalem.
To help choose which decree is most likely the one referenced by Gabriel, one more consideration that is often overlooked proves to be helpful. This is the first forty-nine years also prescribed by the prophecy:
There shall be seven sevens and sixty-two sevens;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
“And after the sixty-two sevens
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
Daniel 9 25-26
It seems common practice to lump these two distinct spans of time into a single large span and marvel that the accumulation concludes with Jesus as Messiah. However, the description clearly reveals that the city will be built again within the first forty-nine years from the time of the order. And it clearly states that after the city is rebuilt, another four hundred thirty-four years will transpire before the Messiah. While the temple was completed within forty-nine years of either of these two decrees, the consumption of time is more fitting from Artaxerxes first decree. The first decree requires construction to be complete by 408BC and the second decree requires a completion by around 397BC. (397BC derived using Persian years.) The actual date that is given for the temple completion is formally around 417BC. From this, it clearly makes more sense to anchor to the first decree in 457BC. The second decree leaves a large window of irrelevancy relative to the level of emphasis placed on the culmination of the first forty-nine years.
The timing regarding the completion of the city does appear imperfect but the conditions are technically met with either decree. Certainly major construction continued within the city. The temple and the wall were the two major focuses and most likely the first priorities; and, these were the records that were maintained. For example, the prophecy specifically calls out the “street” as well.
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The aim here is to determine whether the last seven years of the prophecy encompasses the Messiah or the one who follows. The difficulty seems to be in the language.
Of note is that using Artaxerxes’ second decree as the anchor point for the prophecy, Messiah would be cut off in the four-hundred-eighty-third year. The remaining seven years of the prophecy becomes nebulous, non-uniform, and disjoint because the final seven years must be then assigned to the one that follows and this is in waiting. Seemingly, most do accept this assignment over the other despite this difficulty. Advocates usually escape this discontinuity by ignoring it and accepting the long pause required to begin last seven years later and dismissing natural inclination that leads to great misunderstandings.
Because when Artaxerxes’ first decree is chosen, the four hundred eighty three years culminate in the baptism of Jesus and this marks the beginning of the final seven years in which Messiah is cut off in the middle of. That Messiah was cut off after three-and-a-half years from His baptism is historically accurate according to most opinions. Add to this the stoning of Stephen for example, and the final week has been completed by a known event. (A specific event is given only for tangibility. No specific event is required to mark this end.) Anchoring on the first decree in 457BC provides a clean and established completion to this prophecy without requiring unnatural inclinations.
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Because this natural viewpoint is not often accepted, it must be defended further. Does the remainder of the prophecy fit with this conclusion, that the seventy sevens begin in 457BC?
And after the sixty-two sevens
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined. (Dan 9:26)
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one seven. (From Dan 9:27)
The statement “Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself” is naturally linked to the preceding clause “And after the sixty-two sevens.” To anchor on 457BC and then begin the final seven with His baptism, linguistically, the statement, “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one seven,” must also be linked to the first clause, “And after the sixty-two sevens.” The linguistic structure is awkward and seemingly has caused many to stumble but it is not implausible especially when the benefits for doing so are considered.
Not being willing to recognize this association has resulted in a very poor interpretation and devastating ramifications have come from it. The detailed argument for doing so is not warranted because additional justification for making this conclusion will be presented in a later section. Still, layout is presented for the theological reasoning too:
Seventy sevens are determined… And after the sixty-two sevens…
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one seven;
But in the middle of the seven
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
This passage defines the seventieth week and the provides details about the war after summarizing that everything that is being built will be destroyed again and why.
This passage defines the seventieth week and the provides details about the war after summarizing that everything that is being built will be destroyed again and why.
Messiah, Jesus, confirms a covenant with many immediately following His baptism and many more will follow after Him through His ministry until He is cut off. This marks the middle of the last seven years spoken of by the prophecy. Messiah completes the sacrifice and offering by becoming the last sacrifice. Immediately following the crucifixion, He reveals Himself to those to which he made the covenant and they, the disciples and those who followed Him, carry on His mission becoming His voice. The end of this seven year covenant completes the determination of the Hebrew legacy, per the prophecy. In no way would any Christian dispute this were it not for the structure of the language. However, as will be shown, this structure specifically serves a purpose!
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After an end has been made of the sacrifice and offerings, His message of salvation is delivered to the Gentiles and spreads throughout the world and the one who makes desolate, the prince who is to come, shall be in standing until the determined consummation. It is absolutely analytically pleasing to understand this prophecy from this perspective! And it is likewise analytically displeasing to interpret from the other.
And the people would do the deeds of their prince and in 70AD, the Romans destroyed the temple and the city of Jerusalem, the Hebrews scattered in haste as the Romans came upon them like a flood. Therefore, not only did Daniel foretell when the temple would be reconstructed, but also that and largely when the second Hebrew temple would be destroyed yet again – after Messiah is cut off.
And Jesus also foretold this:
Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” (Matt 24:1-2)
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To summarize, what Daniel has shared concerning Messiah from this vision:
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
The implication of the Seventy Sevens prophecy is without measure. Daniel identifies Jesus as Messiah! He did so by describing both what He would do and when He would do it.
Jesus said of Daniel, “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…” Jesus not only provides a confirmation to the prophecies given to and shared by Daniel, He is the confirmation and He specifically provides confirmation that Daniel is to be viewed as a prophet.
This truly prophetic message was unarguably written before Jesus’ time and demands consideration of Daniel’s other writings as they now cannot be so easily dismissed; it demands consideration for Jesus and His teachings; and, it demands consideration for what Daniel has written for the times that are still to come. This prophecy precisely paints Jesus as the Messiah by defining the why, the when, and the how long for His ministry. This three-and-a-half years transpired to be the most defining transpiration in human history, it was all foretold, and in so doing, it legitimizes the entire inconvenient text of Daniel.
Daniel’s Fourth Vision (The Heavenly Visitor)
In the third year of Cyrus (≈536BC,) following the revelation of the Seventy Sevens prophecy, Daniel while at the side of the Tigris river is approached by a heavenly man of marvelous description having the objective to provide Daniel with still more understanding for his previous visions. This heavenly man introduces Himself and continues on to provide great detail explaining the meanings behind Daniel’s second vision of the ram and the goat. The details provided are remarkably accurate from a historical context. Again, this is dismissed by the skeptics. The explanation begins with the Medes and Persians and covers the dominion of the Greeks from Alexander the Great through four generals from among Ptolemy I, Seleucus I Nicator, Antigonus I Monophthalmus, Cassander, and Lysimachus who would split the kingdom after Alexander’s death, and the plotting and fighting between them that followed up to and including the assault by Antiochus IV Epiphanes upon the temple and banishment of the daily sacrifices. No characters of interest are identified by name in the telling, but the actions described clearly identify historical context and key people.
Then the king shall do according to his own will… (Dan 11:36) Until this statement, the description is very explicit to which of the kings the discussion pertained to. Each reference to a king up to this subject was regionally specified for clear identification. The climax of the Greek empire with respect to Jerusalem was with the successful revolt of the Maccabees against Antiochus’ rule. Antiochus is known to have died from illness. This last king of unspecified region is not Antiochus and is additionally described as the final king before judgment. And, at the time of the end, this king is opposed by kings of the north and the south. (Dan 11:40) This king that does according to his own will, the final king, is a new king in a new context.
Ironically and notably, the ending for this last king is given a rather dull description, “yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him,” but what follows his end is described as a trouble that the world has never seen among nations. It is from this trouble that Daniel’s people shall be delivered, those that are written in the book. Because many who sleep in the dust shall rise, this is certainly describing the time of the final judgment. (Dan 11:45, Dan 12:1-2)
When the heavenly visitor finishes this explanation, Daniel sees two men with one being on each bank of the river and a third dressed in linen being over the water. One on a bank of the river asked the one over the river how long the vision would be?
Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished. (Dan 12:7)
The answer was for a time, times, and half a time. This is the same span of time given at the close of Daniel’s first dream in Gabriel’s explanation for the final king which was in that vision represented as a small horn with eyes of a man and a mouth speaking pompous words. (Dan 7:25)
And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. (Dan 12:11-12)
This is the final reference that Daniel gives for the abomination of desolation. It must be related to that in Daniel 8:14, but neither specified period of time seems to coincide with what is known of Atiochus’ abominations. Other abominations must be determined.
The heavenly visitor instructs Daniel that the dead shall rise and those written in the book shall be delivered. But this is stated by the one standing over the river not to occur until the power of the holy people has been completely shattered. The end of this final king and the judgment that follows have clearly yet to be realized.
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Daniel’s visitor seems to suggest a “spiritual” nature to the beasts from the sea.
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Eph 6:12)
“The people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.”
“The end of it shall be with a flood” (Dan 9:27)
Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.” (Dan 10:12-14)
In introducing Himself, this heavenly man explains to Daniel that he had been withstood by a long confrontation with the prince of the kingdom of Persia and the kings of Persia. (Dan 10:13) Clearly then, the “prince of the kingdom of Persia” spoken of in this vision is not a reference to an earthly person because an earthy person, whether prince or otherwise, would not be able to withhold a spiritual being such as the one described to be visiting Daniel.
It is now reasonable to infer from this that “the prince who is to come” referenced in the Seventy Sevens prophecy likewise is/was not of earthly origin. This is confirmed in that Daniel’s first vision shows the four beasts come out of the sea onto the land. In contrast to Daniel’s first vision, in Daniels second vision, the creatures are not called beasts. The beasts that came from the sea, the kingdoms, are represented by carnivorous predators but in the second vision, they are depicted as natural grass-eating animals and were never associated with the sea.
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This fourth vision concludes Daniel’s four visions. The first vision made Daniel aware of a spiritual dominion that rules over the world and out of this dominion, notable earthly kings will be given reigns for a time until the end when a special king will arise and have dominion until it is taken away and given to one like the Son of Man. This was the first and foundational vision. His second vision tells how the Persians would conquer the captive rule under which Daniel’s people were living and that the Persians would then be conquered by the Greeks and that through them his people would be challenged atrociously. And it was added in this vision too that one would come out of Greece that would exalt himself against the Host of heaven. The abomination of desolation was introduced in this vision. His third vision describes with incredible accuracy how his people would return to their home land through Persian decree and they would rebuild. Most importantly, it details the Messiah’s timing and His role in the world. And then the final king is once again given attention. Then Daniels’ fourth dream is provided as a summary of the second and gives extensive details of the transitions of kingdoms leading up to just before Messiah and terminates with more details of the final king. Taken together, the story line is accurate, consistent, and complete.
John’s Vision (The Beast From the Sea, The Beast From the Earth)
The Revelation of Jesus Christ is commonly attributed to a probable date of around 90 AD. This is after the Romans destroyed the temple in 70AD. It is a vision given to John while he was on the island of Patmos. John was imprisoned on the island for witnessing to the things that he personally saw of Jesus Christ. The vision that John retells is very broad and also of much debate and varied interpretations. The vision consists of many aspects, but one is immediately relevant to the study of the visions shared by Daniel.
Revelation 13
Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If anyone has an ear, let him hear. He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.
Before unfolding any portion of this excerpt from John’s vision(s,) more recap of Daniel’s first vision containing the beasts from the sea will be given: Daniel first saw a lion, then second a bear, and the third was a leopard. The leopard had four heads. The fourth beast that Daniel saw was described as being different from all the others. This fourth beast had ten horns on his head and an eleventh came up among the ten and uprooted three of the ten as it came up. The beasts are identified as kingdoms and the horns as notable kings. The kingdoms were deduced to have Spiritual influence as signified by coming out of the sea. The final horn that rose up from the fourth beast was different from the other horns in that it was described as having human features and in particular a mouth to speak pompous words and eyes as a man to see.
The timing of this vision is peculiar however as the determined time for the Hebrews had recently expired as established according to the Seventy Sevens prophecy. The Roman empire was in place before Christ and growing at this time. It is not unnatural to infer that the fourth beast seen by Daniel should be the Roman empire, especially after inferring the first three to be the preceding kingdoms. However, the Romans are not specifically called out by name and neither the Greeks nor the Persians have formally been associated with any of the beasts from the sea. The difficulty in resting conclusive identification of the fourth beast solely on the Roman empire is established by the clear description that Daniel’s fourth beast reigns until the final judgment. The Roman Empire specifically is no longer in rule.
The beast that John saw rise up out of the sea has features of the first three beasts that Daniel saw: the body of the leopard, the mouth of the lion, and the feet of the bear. The beasts that Daniel saw had seven heads in total as does the beast that John saw. The beast that John saw had ten horns and the final beast that Daniel saw also had ten horns. It is reasonable to conclude that this beast that John describes as coming out of the sea would be the fourth beast that Daniel saw come out of the sea. Additionally, it can now be reasoned that in some way this fourth beast can be thought of as the culmination of the previous three.
However, Daniel also saw a final horn, an eleventh horn, that John does not describe having seen on the beast from the sea. Daniel describes this eleventh and final horn as speaking pompous words. What John does see however is the beast that rises out of the earth having horns like a lamb and the tongue of a dragon. It is thus also fair to conclude that this beast that comes out of the earth is the final king that Daniel describes as having a pompous mouth and eyes of a man.
Presumably, the fourth “prince” that Daniel saw come out of the sea has been in place since Messiah was cut off. This prince is the beast that John envisioned coming out of the sea, and according to John, the time given to this beast will be forty-two months. The reign of this final beast from the earth will either be at the end but within the final beast’s dominion or the reigns will be transitioned over to the final king. Will this spiritual principality that rises out of the sea literally yield dominion to this final earthly king?
The Prophetic Timeline
John writes that this beast from the sea is given forty-two months. However, John also provides an appointed duration for other related depictions. Noting that these depictions are analogous and symbolic, some will be more obvious than others at first, but all pieces of this puzzle will fall into place in ways that will surprise and even shock.
But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” (Rev 11:2-3)
Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. (Rev 11:9)
Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. (Rev 12: 6)
But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. (Rev 12:14)
Along side the beast from the sea, John also describes a duration of forty-two months that will be given to the gentiles to tread over the holy city. In that same context, John describes that a duration of one-thousand-two-hundred-sixty days will be given to two special witnesses to prophecy. (Rev 11:2-3) After the twelve-hundred-sixty days, the witnesses are killed by a beast that came from the bottomless pit and left in the street for three-and-a-half days. (Rev 11:7)
In another context, John then describes a vision of a woman in heaven who gives birth to a male child that is clearly representative of the Son of God. (Rev 12:1-7) After the birth, the woman is given twelve-hundred-sixty-days to take shelter from the dragon, Satan, who had been cast out and thus turned its anger toward the woman. After war in heaven, the woman is then given a time, times, and half a time. The vision of the two beasts in which the beast from the sea is given forty-two months contextually follows this vision of the woman. (Rev 13)
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The bulk of the seven trumpeting angels (Rev 8-10) are not being discussed or pursued in detail for the purposes of this study, but two observations are very necessary. After the sixth angel sounds the sixth trumpet, a mighty angel holding an open book in his hand comes down from heaven and sets one foot on the sea and one foot on the land. (Very symbolic!)
The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets. (Rev 10:5-7)
This passage concerning this mighty angel is important for three particular reasons. First, the seventh angel sounds the seventh trumpet after the two witnesses are revived and ascended to heaven. (Rev 11:15) Second, this mighty angel raises his hands to heaven and “swears by Him who lives forever and ever” immediately before the prophecy provides the depiction of the two witnesses. (Rev 12) And finally, it makes it clear that the final judgment or the completion of the mysteries of God is immediately after the reviving of the two witnesses which marks the conclusion of the twelve-hundred-sixty days with the additional three-and-a-half days given to the two witnesses and correspondingly to the forty-two months given to the gentiles.
Also subtly very important is:
And he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.” (Rev 10:11)
This passage is important because it reveals that what has just been prophesied must be prophesied again. And after John sees the seventh angel sound off marking the depiction of the mystery of God being finished, John sees more visions. John’s vision of the Revelation could have ended after describing the sounding of the seventh angel as the angel says this marks the end of the mysteries of God. It did not end because the prophecies had to be retold. The only reason for retelling is to share the same information from under a different light. This same structure was labored over extensively in Daniel’s Seventy Sevens prophecy, in which this mystery was also portrayed once and then again in fresh detail. The argument that was made to overcome the linguistic obstacle in the Seventy Sevens prophecy is now fully justified by the understanding taken from this prescription.
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“And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. (Rev 11:4)
In the first telling, the two witness are given twelve-hundred-sixty days and then three-and-a-half days. The gentiles are given forty-two months. After this, the seventh angel sounds and the second telling begins.
But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. (Rev 12:14-15)
In the second telling, which is not sequential with the first but rather relatively in parallel, the woman is given twelve-hundred-sixty days and then given a time, times, and half a time. The beast from the sea is given forty-two months and then afterward the beast from the earth is described.
The birth of the Child provides a distinguishable point of reference for the twelve-hundred-sixty day periods. The giving of the city to the gentiles provides an alternative point of reference for the forty-two month periods.
Combining these two accounts, the beginning anchor for the twelve-hundred-sixty days era for both the woman and the two witnesses will be same – the birth of Messiah. Likewise, the beginning anchor for the forty-two months for the gentiles and the beast from the sea will be the same – Messiah is cut off.
The end points for these eras will be shown to be determinable.
The timeline is introduced pictorially with these two prescribed periods shown with depictions of the entities contained within them:


Pictured are the gentiles, the beast, the mother & child, and a representation for two olive branches.
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Naturally, given this timeline and the understanding of what these depictions represent, twelve-hundred-sixty days cannot be referring to standard calendar days. Scholars like to replace prophetic days with years. That practice is suspected to be largely based on the Seventy Sevens prophecy which has already been stated to be an unfortunate consequence of poor translation. Nonetheless, the prescription of days to years doesn’t yield any interesting results either.
But in knowing the real time between two of the three anchors and by knowing the prophetic times for each anchor, the relationship between real and prophetic is easily determined; and, to be clear, determination of the real time of the final epoch is the objective. But first, in order to make such a determination, the span of a month must be defined.
Assuming that thirty days are in a month would yield exactly twelve-hundred-sixty days. It certainly should not be assumed that the author would express the same time period using two different representations especially within common contexts. Most do however. And of course, it turns out to be a detrimental decision. Additionally, the Persian practice for doing so had been out of favor. The simple conclusion then must be that the month is based simply on the lunar cycle. The Hebrew calendar follows the lunar cycle. The Hebrew calendar alternates month to month between twenty-nine and thirty days because the lunar cycle is twenty-nine-and-a-half days. From this, forty-two months as given to the gentiles and beast is twenty-one days less than the twelve-hundred-sixty prophetic days given to the witnesses and woman.
42 months = (21 months ● 29 days/month) + (21 months ● 30 days/month) = 1239 days


Taking into account that the gentiles are given forty-two months to tread over the city and that this became possible because Messiah was cut off, the period of forty-two months given to the beast from the sea and the gentiles is now shifted to the right of the cross.


From John’s vision, the Child is born and war in heaven breaks out. From Daniel, Messiah is cut-off, but not for himself. The time determined for the Hebrews comes to an end, the holy city is given over to the gentiles, and the people of the prince that is to come tear down the temple. The times and events given by John turn out to be quite meaningful and sensible in this context. From this Christ focused viewpoint, it cannot be anymore straightforward than this. That is once the identity of the two witnesses are determined, it will all come together.
The Two Witnesses
Many contemporary scholars have held to the idea that the witnesses will be Moses and Elijah because of their old testament significance and their presence on the mount of transfiguration. Others have held them to be Enoch and Elijah because these two were able to escape death, etc. Between these two camps, this reasoning seems to be the predominant belief. But given the presented depiction, where has Elijah been all this time?
Recognizing that John is experiencing a vision in which the portrayal of events and ideas is typically the more likely scenario rather than the identification of specific bodies and names, these two witnesses have actually already been discussed.
They are witnesses to God. Two of them in total. In John’s vision, they follow the mighty angel who raises his hands and swears by Him who lives forever and ever and then expressed when it would all be finished. In Daniel’s vision, one witness was on one bank of the river and the other on the other bank with one dressed in white linen between them who raised His hands to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever and then expressed when it would all be finished. The first witness is the testimony of Messiah before Messiah – the message of the prophets, the men of God before Christ. The second witness is the testimony that comes after Messiah – the testimony of the disciples, the men of God after Christ. The one witness is the Old Testament and the other witness is the New Testament with Christ being the centerpiece that connects them. Zechariah does not disagree as between the olive trees that he saw was a golden lamp stand having seven pipes leading to seven lamps as also described in John’s vision. (Zech 4:2, Rev 1:12, Rev 11:4)


The witnesses are now on board depicted as a “scroll” and a “New Testament bible” and the picture is nearly complete.
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But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. (Rev 12:14-15)
The woman will be given a time, times, and half a time after her twelve-hundred-sixty days. After their twelve-hundred-sixty days, the witnesses will be killed and remain dead in the street for three-and-a-half days. The time, times, and half a time are significantly capable of representing the same three-and-a-half days given to the witnesses during their desolate time. However, the woman’s analogous period is defined identically to the time that Daniel gives to the final king.
He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change time and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. (Dan 7:25)
This last time, times, and half a time will be the abomination of desolation. The two witnesses will be dead in the street. The earth will help the woman through this time, and the beast form the earth will rise.


The timeline is now depicted and it’s meaning, though familiar, explained.
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Luke gives detail about when Jesus was baptized:
Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Phillip tetrarch of Iturea and the regon of Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, while Annas and Caiaphas were high priests, the word of God came to John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. (Luke 3:1-2)
Apparently, these authorities historically coincided in the autumn of 27AD which would have been the year of His baptism. Assuming Jesus began his ministry at age thirty, His birth would then be autumn of 4BC. Both of these dates are generally considered as acceptable as things of this nature can be accepted. But given the date of the decree and assuming the correctness of its dating, 27AD also marks the beginning of the final seven years for Daniel’s people as spoken of by Daniel. Messiah was cut off in the middle of that seven years.
Jesus was baptized in the autumn of 27 AD according to Luke. His crucifixion was in the April time frame for Passover suggesting something around thirty-three years and eight or ten months of age assuming again that he was around thirty when He was baptized.
The prophetic times for three epochs have been established. The birth of the Child is the beginning, twenty-one prophetic days after the birth is the crucifixion, and twelve-hundred-sixty prophetic days after the birth is the end of the eras and the beginning of the desolations.
The “real” timeline is easily completed for our time by knowing the duration of the twenty-one prophetic days in real time.
Assuming a July birth to arrive at an upper bound
(1260 prophetic days ● 33+10/12 calendar years) = (21 prophetic days ● 2030 calendar years)
and assuming a September birth for a lower bound
(1260 prophetic days ● 33+8/12 calendar years) = (21 prophetic days ● 2020 calendar years)
and after accounting for the birth occurring in 4BC, these spans terminate between 2016 and 2026AD.
These calculations are loose and meant to show feasibility. Based on external analyses, it seems that the anticipation is that Jesus was not born as early as July but could have been. Being born in August is more acceptable. Mid September is a preferred hypothesis but it is largely based on estimations as well. The month He was actually born is not known and the extent to which these anchor points are actually understood are intended only to show general dates.
Even after estimation upon estimation, it stands strikingly interesting and frightening that the events that have been extracted from this Christ-centered prophetic timeline do in fact line up so explicitly well with the events that are about to be shown.
While emphasizing that these numbers are directly relatable to a timeline laid out that is completely coherent to the theology of Christ, what specific events have occurred within this proposed time period?
The Angels’ Warnings
But first, to keep things in order, the angels’ warnings will be presented.
Then I saw another angle flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth – to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people – saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.” And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.” (Rev 14:6-8)
The first angel is pleading with all who dwell on the earth that they should worship and fear God. The context of this cry is very important because it comes at the hour of His coming judgment. The forty-two months given to the beast from the sea are expiring. This is confirmed by the cry of the second angel claiming that Babylon has fallen. What follows these warnings will be a causation by the beast from the earth for all to abandon God and worship the image of the first beast from the sea that will be made by the people. Falling for this will certainly have consequence as the next angel will warn! This is marking the time of the abomination of desolation when all of man will be made to worship the works that come out of the bottomless pit. It will be during this time that the witnesses have fallen and lay dead in the street.
Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. (Rev 14:9-12)
The first angel cries for all to worship and fear God for the appointed time of His judgment has come. The second angel cries that the first beast has indeed fallen. And the third angel cries with a loud voice to all not to fall into the snare of the next beast.
The message given by the third angel reveals the context. For this to be a warning, it must occur before the events that are being warned of. Thus it is said between the second and third angels that the beast from the sea has fallen and the beast of the earth and his kingdom will follow.
At this time, the angels are sending a message with a loud voice of the troubles that are about to open up on the world. And they are warning all with a loud voice – THE ANGELS WANT THE WORLD TO HEAR THEIR VOICE AND THEIR WORDS – maintain integrity over the beast of the earth and his mark!
The Rise of the Antichrist
I was considering the horns, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words. (Dan 7:8)
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. (Rev 13:2)
What does the word Antichrist mean exactly?
Ironically, every biblical reference to that specific word is made by John but he does not use it in Revelation. Perhaps John began using this word after his vision?
Daniel describes a king that will rise up and challenge even the Prince of the host. (Dan 8:11) But Christ is the Messiah, the Son of Man, and the Son of God. Christ is God. Is this final king then likewise Satan incarnate? That remains a curiosity.
Even as they asked who He was and pleaded for a sign because they had heard rumors and were impressed with His speech, they could not accept that the man standing before them of such humble stature was divinity incarnate. Likewise, if John and Daniel do describe an actual incarnation of Satan through these visions, who will believe it when they see it?
What makes this last king different from all the previous kings? The two distinguishing attributes given by Daniel are that he has a mouth speaking pompous words and eyes like the eyes of a man. (From Dan 7:8) Again, what makes this final king different from all the previous kings before him? They all had eyes and mouths. The distinction must be that this last king has visibility that is different from those before him and that his words are different from those before him. But it’s not enough that they are different. The conclusion must be that his visibility is notably greater, perhaps even supernatural, and his words notably more pompous. The subtle but disturbing conclusion to be drawn is that having “eyes like the eyes of a man” strongly implies the assertion that he will be characteristic of a man but not actually man. Of course the hope would have been to conclude otherwise.
Paul makes an interesting statement and analogy to the Thessalonians:
For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. (1 Thes 5:3)
The analogy is interesting as birth follows conception in due or appointed time.
If the Abraham Peace Accords weren’t enough to cause curiosity:
He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. (Dan 11:36)
And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. (Rev 13:3)
In all honesty, the gun shot wound to the ear was certainly more than coincidence, but not likely the wound specifically that John describes. His mass appeal has been largely based on a devotion to a once great but quickly waning country that has yet to die though its death would otherwise appear imminent. This approaching death of course has been by design. Yes, it is a kingdom divided against itself and it shall not stand; but, His stated objective has always been to fortify and revive this kingdom that his predecessors meant for destruction. His once great nation embodies the wounded kingdom that would be wounded unto death but still lives.
The gun shot may however have been more than just icing on the cake:
And he brought the second ram, the ram of consecration. Then Aaron and his sons laid their hands on the head of the ram, and Moses killed it. Also he took some of its blood and put it on the tip of Aaron’s right ear, on the thumb of his right hand, and on the big toe of his right foot. Then he brought Aaron’s sons. And Moses put some of the blood on the tips of their right ears, on the thumbs of their right hands, and on the big toes of their right feet. And Moses sprinkled the blood all around on the altar. (Lev 8:22-24)
This passage describes the anointing of Aaron and his sons into the priesthood. His right ear was cut and he bled, his right hand held the right ear, and then he bent down. In the audio of some recordings, he is clearly heard saying as they were trying to usher him off the platform, “Let me get my shoes.” Thus, his shoes were off when he was shot. While he was knelt down, did he take a moment to rub his blood on his toes to complete his self-anointing as priest? It’s just a curiosity. It only means nothing if it didn’t happen, but it means everything if he did!
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And of course there is/was Q. (Q has been silent for some time but could conceivably return at any time.) Q is very relevant and must be introduced and discussed to a minimal extent. The letter Q is of course the seventeenth in the English alphabet. It is also the identification chosen by an anonymous online presence during his first administration. Seventeen is a special number within the Q community. Factually, a number of “inexplicable” insights though cryptic were given by Q. Q would often ask how many coincidences before it should be deemed mathematically impossible? (Note that Q never claimed to be supernatural, but rather “in control.”)
What of the number seventeen anyway? For one, Q started posting in 2017. Also, using a hybrid approach between the modern decimal system and the old Roman numeral system, the 17 can be thought of as (7 - 1 = 6) similarly to how the Romans would recognize IV as (5 - 1 = 4). Just curiosities.
On October 6, 2017, he stated during a photo shoot at a white house dinner for military leaders, “You guys know what this represents? Maybe it’s the calm before the storm.” He said this while waving his hand in a circular motion that many will say was air-signaling the letter Q. He has been filmed gesturing similar motions in multiple public appearances. The gestures are subtle but observable once pointed out.
Q was introduced in late October of 2017. On February 17, 2019, Q made three posts within one second before he would make a post on his Twitter account. These three messages would complete the seventeenth occurrence of this type of message. (The Q crowd called this message sequence zero-delta drops. They were significant because they showed that Q was working with him as was always the claim.) The timed-sequence never occurred again after that day despite Q being active through 2020 into 2022 even. In summary, on the seventeenth of the seventeenth month of Q, the seventeenth and final zero-delta-drop occurred. This chain of coincidence cannot be either coincidental or accidental.
This may come across as somewhat silly to some or many, but these behaviors are not outside of his character. Q eventually garnered a significant amount of negative attention because of the following that was building around it. In the 2020 presidential campaign, he was challenged to denounce the Q following. He was able to side-step by claiming not to know of “qanon” as that was what the media insisted on calling Q. “There is Q, and there are anons, but there is no qanon,” was Q’s response to the faint and pressed denouncement. (The Q following wanted him to acknowledge.)
Other unusual accounts of foresight are associated with the Q posts which is a lot of the reason Q attracted such a dedicated following. The significance of all this and the reason for sharing is that only one of two conclusions can be drawn with respect to Q because the odds of the number of these kinds of things that have occurred are mathematically impossible! Either Q was an intelligence operation as some have since suggested or Q was/is factually associated with him. Neither conclusion is inconsequential!
In suspicion of the latter and directly to that point, Q was also known to often post and re-post a short clip from a movie titled Law Abiding Citizen. The clip consisted of the single simple line, “It’s going to be biblical!” Thus, he in effect is self aware. Note, one might argue that this drop is being referenced out of context. What is context? Ulterior context is the path for secret messaging which is what the whole Q thing was from the start.
His opposition is shrinking as seen by previous results and much of his supporting base views him as a savior – the self-sacrificing savior of this once great nation known as the USA which he “alone” is able and determined to “save.” And ironically, the scriptures do not actually address his popularity. He doesn’t require popularity to be the one. He only requires authority. And he only needed enough support to achieve that authority. And to his pleasure for certain, he was able to garner that support from the Christian base.
The question has thus become unavoidable. How many overtly pompous world leaders have orchestrated peace in the middle east and also survived a gunshot wound to the head? How many more will come forward before 2027AD? Of these, how many will have been viewed as a savior? Of those that are still on this list of one, how many will literally in effect announce to the world that their rising “will be biblical?”
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The three failing kings that are plucked for his arrival must not be ignored and the Q following may again help present some identification:
I was considering the horns, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words. (Dan 7:8)
Dr. Jane Halper-Hayes, a Republican Commentator and former VP of Republicans Overseas, while holding a position on a Department of Defense task-force, in August 2023 claimed on GB News that he intends to bankrupt the Corporation of the United States of America. The Corporation of the United States is claimed to have been formed as payment for support through the civil war in 1871. Thus this bankruptcy would sever obligations to the Vatican and the Crown. She also claimed that six-hundred-fifty planes were required to remove the USA’s gold from the Vatican bank.
This is not presented as a claim that Dr. Jane Halper-Hayes is personally affiliated with or personally subscribes to Q or Q ideas in any way. Whatever one might think of her statements, they are readily accepted in the Q and other conspiratorially minded communities. And in this commentary, she effectively calls out Washington DC, London, and Vatican City. Each is a special city in that they are independent of the nations that surround them, and each has a prominent obelisk located within its borders. These three horns are prime considerations for the three horns that will be plucked as spoken of by Daniel; even if not for this reasoning. (Three in that the USA is being commandeered for his purposes.)
And yes, this will surely be perceived as fantastical by many or most. Note, this is claimed to be speculative until proven otherwise. Note also that Dr. Jane Halper-Hayes has held noteworthy titles even into 2023. And many who follow these theories do not find her statements fantastical at all.
The Abomination of Desolation
The times have been presented based on determinations to suggest an approximate time of the end for the eras of the gentiles being able to walk upon the holy city and the two witnesses to prophecy. The witnesses are portrayed to be overcome by the beast from the bottomless pit marking the beginning of the period of desolation when the world will be seemingly void of God’s influence. From the other context, at the end of the eras of the woman with child and the beast from the sea will be the rising of the second beast, the beast from the earth coinciding with the death of the two witnesses thus marking the beginnings of the abomination of desolation.
When the witnesses are killed, the whole of the earth will leave them on the streets for three and a half days. (Rev 11:9)
But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time from the presence of the serpent. (Rev 12:14)
He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall prosecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. (Dan 7:25)
Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished. (Dan 12:7)
The termination of the abomination of desolation will be something on the order of three-and-a-half. All four references suggest this. However, assuming this to be calendar days as is prescribed to the witnesses is again not practical.
Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?” And he said to me, “For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.” (Dan 8:13-14)
And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. (Dan 12:11-12)
If anyone has an ear, let him hear. He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. (Rev 13:9)
Daniel prescribes twelve-hundred-ninety days from the onset of the abomination of desolation. This is the amount of time in which the saints will be expected to endure the things to come. Unfortunately, the power of the holy people will have been “completely shattered” by that time. The hardships that the saints will be expected to endure will require patience and faith as these are the very words written by John before the onset of this final king!
The math needed to bring these periods of desolation into harmony is fortunately easier than what was required to get to this point. The duration that Daniel gives just happens to be very close to three-and-a-half years. This fits very nicely with “a time, times, and half a time.” It also fits very nicely with three-and-a-half days when we appease the scholars by finally using the one-year-for-a-day conversion.
The twenty-three-hundred days spans from the onset of the abomination until the temple is cleansed. After the twelve-hundred-ninety days, the reprieve for the saints will come or begin to come and cleansing of the temple will begin.


“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.” (Matt 24:15-18)
Seeing him stand in the holy place is the event to be on the lookout for! This may be subtle or it may be barefaced. From a prophetic sense, the cities of Jerusalem and Babylon do not always refer to the actual physical cities. The podium in Butler Pennsylvania may have in some way represented the holy place as it could have served as an anointing moment. The presidency may represent the holy place since he sits there largely due to the admiration and following of the church. And it could be that he will take a trip to Jerusalem or it could be that he already has taken a trip to Jerusalem.
On July 13, 2024, he was shot.
On November 6, 2024, he was elected.
On January 6, 2025, he was certified.
On January 20, 2025, he will be inaugurated. (With respect to the time of this writing.)
But correlating with a September birth for the Child, on May 22-23, 2017, he visited Israel and walked on the temple grounds and prayed at the wall!
Immediately after, he passed through Palestinian Authority; and, from there he visited Italy and Vatican City and met with Pope Francis. On the following trip, he would visit London.
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“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.” (Matt 24:15-18)
But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time from the presence of the serpent. (Rev 12:14)
While “Here is the patience and the faith of the saints,” the saints must look for those eagle wings. Her time will be in the wilderness, but God shall not leave her alone. Keep patience while in the wilderness! Keep faith while in the wilderness!
The wilderness is out far away from it all. The saints will be in hiding. It’s a natural conclusion, if you don’t want to take part in the system that’s coming, you will need to make an exit to the wilderness. And according to Jesus, that exit will be abrupt! Have the faith to make that exit! Don’t “love this life to the death.” (Rev 12:11)
“Desolation and Cleansing” or “Tribulation and Rapture”
A very popular view within the church has been that the saints will be called up in a rapture and that the world will go through a seven year tribulation period when the Antichrist will have dominion. Major motion pictures have been made for the appeal to this theology.
Various view points exist with regard to when the saints will be called up with respect to the tribulation period. Seemingly, the dominant view is that the rapture of the saints will occur before the Antichrist. Others subscribe to a mid-tribulation rapture and others to a post-tribulation rapture. The pre-tribulation rapture and the mid-tribulation rapture require a two part return for Jesus’ second coming.
However, it has already been established that the seven years described in Daniel and that scholars often refer to as the seven years of tribulation is incorrect theology. The reasonable conclusion that the seven years they attribute to the great tribulation actually transpired immediately and naturally adjacent to the first four-hundred-eighty-three years prescribed by the prophecy as has been presented.
The desolation that Daniel prescribes is twenty-three-hundred days with an intervention after twelve-hundred-ninety days or thirteen-hundred-thirty-five days. After this intervention, the cleansing begins. However, the desolation is under the dominion of the last king through which patience and faith will be required of the saints. The cleansing occurs under the dominion of God and it is reserved for those that will receive the mark of the beast.
The problem with the concept of the two-part returns as has been commonly accepted is that it suggests that saints will escape hardships they are not said to get to escape and it also suggests that if one misses the rapture that hope still exists. Neither of these suggestions fit within the messages that have been written.
At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever. (Dan 12:1-3)
And the point must be driven home!
Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation... (Rev 14:9-10)
As bad as the period of the abomination of desolation will be, the saints must hold fast until the cleansing. Do not take part in the abomination, worship God, and avoid the cleansing of the temple that will ensue in due time. It is being made clear that the saints will be left to resist and crystal clear that it is the wrath of God that comes after the desolation period that will cleanse the temple!
The Image and Mark of the Beast
Daniel wrote that knowledge would increase (Dan 12:4) and it has. Technology has advanced beyond what any could have imagined even from just a century ago. In the first century, the mark was surely expected to be some sort of tattoo or scarring. But when one thinks of it, how does the system really work without some sort of advanced technology such as the technology that is taking shape today.
What is the beast from the sea but the accumulation of power and brutality over the course of all of mankind since Cain killed Abel out of jealousy and greed? It has conquered and spread itself into this failed nation-state system full of Satanic influence and control that is failing today. The fiat currencies are verging on collapse. Borders are being overrun and the breaking down of once reliable resources and support mechanisms is underway. The system cannot stand for it’s own conniving and greed. That is the reason he has been able to achieve such a sizable following. “He is the only one who can save it!” Realizing such, what will be that was described as an image to this beast?
He may or may not be planning to do away with that system, but it seems more so that he will. Certainly he will rise up from its ashes. That is the purpose for the image. Noting that the image will be constructed by those who dwell on the earth (Rev 13:14,) if the people build this image, then the people will be possessive and defensive for it. The image comes to life – it is animated and can speak – and will cause – the image built by the people will cause – any that do not worship the beast will be killed. (Rev 13:15) He will also cause all to receive a mark “in” (KJV) or on their foreheads or their right hands and no one will be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast.
Now are the times of Artificial Intelligence, Cryptocurrency, digital ID, micro bio-electric devices, trans-humanism, and blind acceptance for countless injections. So sadly, any and all of these can and seemingly will be used to implement this abominable period of desolation. And seemingly, it isn’t going to be difficult to get the bulk of mankind to walk into it. Those that resist will be challenged and mocked, and killed, and perhaps sometimes tortuously.
Given that the image of the beast causes all to receive the mark, cryptocurrency with digital ID might be that which the image is referring to, the replacement for the currency that depicts an all-seeing-eye embedded pyramid will likely be the controlling mechanism as many have been warning for some time. With control in place, more sinister plots can certainly unfold. He has publicly suggested that he will blow away the national debt using cryptocurrency. What comes after?
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As the angels cried, worship God! Now is the time to look at His message to us, what He has done for us, and where we are going. God has become a repulsion in the modern world, but we live in the world of the beast. Jesus who is attributed to only mercy and compassion having never raised a finger in violence against another man and endured brutality for all is likewise similarly under attack. But again, we live in the world of the beast. It is the weak and the poor to whom Jesus went to and those who have plundered the poor and crushed the people are those who God has despised. (From Isa 14-15) God hates this beast system that is empowered over us and He has said that He will destroy it and it will never return. He doesn’t want to destroy us with it! He wants us centered on Him and not embedded with this system. He has intervened on our behalf and He will intervene on our behalf. They are at war for our souls. God wants us to know Him and some of us will be asked to love Him more so than this life. Why it is the way it is will be a question for God when you get the chance to ask it. Until then, His message is that He is there for those who humbly seek Him and He wants us to choose His grace. I can attest to this.
And the angels cried, the city has fallen, the time is now. Now is the time to look at what we know and understand. How did the church miss this? In fact, he will be inaugurated tomorrow to the applause of Christian support. Let’s not forget that he literally told Christians that if we vote for him in November, we would “never need to vote again” because “it will be fixed.” If this is happening, it was on our watch that it got through on our watch. Of course the fall of the church did not happen overnight. The church has been suckered to serve a means to an end before. The Roman emperor Constantine’s takeover of the early church through adoption of the faith led from a strong and purposed church to a body that could not access the faith without being under control of authority making the faith in effect a method of control.
And the angels cried do not receive the mark or worship the beast or the image of the beast. Again, know that this doesn’t have to be in our face and can potentially be subtle just as his rise to leadership has subtly gotten through and we didn’t see it or stop it. Choosing country over God is an act of worshiping the image of the beast. Getting an injection for the well being of all can be an act of receiving a mark. Shutting down our ability to purchase because we haven’t satisfied the governments’ demands is an act for control. Giving in to hold on to this life is an abandonment of it.
Everyone knows the number and we look for it everywhere. The number seven is often referred to as the number of completion: seven days to create the earth and all that is in it. The number six is the day in which man was created. It is short of completion!
Focusing on the meaning rather than the value, it is the number of a man. We were all born with our individuality and uniqueness given to us by God. Everything natural in this world has become artificial. What happens when men and women are themselves no longer natural – when they are no longer marked by the serial number implanted by God upon them, but rather have surrendered to an impression and identity that has been manipulated by man, but through the whims of the enemy of course? In what way will this manipulation be administered? Perhaps by injection?
The discussion is about to take a dark leap into the hypothetical. It is not known yet what will be, but here are some thoughts for what could potentially be:
And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them… They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. (Rev 9:5-6, 10)
With regards to the injections, he has made no effort to step back from them. What he did do was distance himself just enough to push them through under the watch and blame of another. A similar strategy was to have this same other stand in his place to destroy the country just enough so that it could only be saved by him. (The Q crowd should appreciate that statement.)
How long before the next attack? He said the injections should not be forced, but that was easy to say from the sidelines while garnering support somehow without denouncing what he had done. Will he maintain his former stance through this next attack? How will he force them?
And yes, the last verse was possibly taken out of context to make a point. But possibly it was not. (If you do not know the impact of what these shots have done already… Well, shame on the media! But if you read this and don’t look into it for yourself, shame on you! And what will the next round be?)
With that, the US dollar has been the dominant world currency for much of the past century. It no longer contains the strength it had as it is no longer backed by oil. Will he allow it to fail? Or is he allowing it to fail, allowing it to stand in until the replacement becomes unavoidably more appealing. Time will tell.
It turns out that cryptocurrency and digital ID are potential “solutions” to resolving all of these questions. Once money is taken out of the physical, the money can be purely controlled. Once the money can be controlled, the injections can be forced. Once the injections are forced, what do they plan to put into us? Time will tell.
Credit must be given to the foresight in this ancient text! It was written when men still wore sandals and robes. Ever since, the world has marveled at what it could mean; and, now the technology exists to realize every last detail of what has been written of it.
Church, Where have you been?
It’s easy to criticize from the sidelines! Where have I been? I voted for him in the past. I gave him money in 2020. I saw the seventeenth post on the seventeenth day of the seventeenth month the hour it was posted.
Like I said: (7-1) (7-1) (7-1) → 666, being always on the lookout for it.
However, I supported him because of who he opposed and who opposed him. I never looked to him as my savior and his arrogance greatly disturbed me. And I saw the sign and I pulled back! It’s time to see the signs!
So then how is it that he appealed to those who were supposed be on watch?
For one, his target was the church.
It’s a divided house and the devil is a liar. He was willing to make a few sacrifices because His prize was not those who were already in his snare. His prize was to appeal to and suck in those who where supposed to be looking! And how best to do that except through setting up and presenting the failure that they would hate!
The peace accords woke me up. But the peace accords went through and no cry from the church?
When the mandates went out, no cry from the church?
Now that digital currency is on the cusp of rolling out, no cry from the church?
Throughout the generations, the entire system has been being put in place with only participation from the church?
Nonetheless, these things were all going to happen at their appointed times. And now that this much has been exposed, what does John have next to say?
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And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man saying, “We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel; Only let us be called by your name, To take away our reproach.” (Isaiah 4:1)
The seven women are of course the seven churches in “that” day. Revelation starts as a letter to seven churches. The churches to which John wrote were not the only churches of the time, but to seven of them a message was given. Fault was found within all but one, the persecuted church. And, it is difficult to read any one of the messages to the churches without recognizing some personal affiliation in it. And while the Lord does take away our reproach, the description given by Isaiah is adorning these churches with shame. The women are inferred to be stubborn and self absorbed viewing the man as no more than the object of their grasp. It conveys a sense of one-way love and a lack of appreciation on the part of the women.
John is shown a woman sitting on a scarlet beast.
Then he said to me, “the waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. And that woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.” (Rev 17:15-18)
And it shall come to pass that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy – everyone who is recorded among the living in Jerusalem. (Isaiah 4:3)
We have a choice for which city we liven in. Immediately after Isaiah calls out the self-absorbed women that are trying to lay claim on the one man, he points out that those who reside in Jerusalem – rather than in Babylon with the harlot – will be called holy. It again is not a pretty picture – the church being depicted as a harlot. A harlot sells her body for monetary gain or power.
And the church is embarrassingly commercialized! Wealthy pastures with prepared lessons for itching ears, the services scripted by the minute, bussing in and out to keep on schedule, etc. Churches, are you making space for God, or just talking about it?
John shares Isaiah’s view for this harlot riding on the beast:
In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ (Rev 18:7)
This is the same self-absorbed attitude described by Isaiah. This is the church. She claims an entitled access to the king and she rides on the beast confident that her King lives and takes an unjustified comfort that she will be blessed and protected as a queen should be by her king. But she is a harlot!
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. (Rev 18:4-5)
Therefore her plagues will come in one day – death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her. (Rev 18:8)
The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’ (Rev 18:9-10)
These are the judgments upon the churches from the scriptures and those very scriptures point to this time. This harlot has been riding on the back of the beast for all the generations of the kings. They have had their way with her but she has controlled them because of it. This beast that she has ridden on is about to be judged and she has her judgment too.
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. (Rev 18:4-5)
These words are literally what John says of the church following everything this study has focused on including the abomination as spoken of by Daniel the prophet. This church did not prepare this message! This church has not prepared her people for the times that are coming. Instead, this church said you would be safe and secure, departed from those troubles you fear so great. There’s no need to worry! But do we really understand? This church does not recognize it’s own place. Given all that has been presented, how confident are you resting your trust in her? So, come out of her!
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He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. (Dan 11:37)
He certainly has regarded her admiration and her vote, but will any further regard for these women be shown? Or will it be the opposite? The kings of the past have played with her. This king will not!
He has however shown considerable support for the state of Israel that currently inhabits the holy land which is another fallacy adopted by the same theology that has here been dismissed. And note, historically, it’s been shown time and time again that the nation-state of Israel does not share the same regard for us that we have held for it.
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This message did not come through the church. This message came through me from outside the church. And with that, I will gladly yield credit to the One who provides all knowledge and wisdom acknowledging that I am not worthy. But the question must be forced, why did it not come through the church? I’ve reached the point of closing this out and I want to try to leave it in a better spirit.
First, as I said in the opening, I started this study to determine whether he could be the one. What came out of that study is the most revealing analysis that’s been presented on this subject I am certain. While I didn’t go into the whole of Revelation, I went into as much as I was given and I was given what I needed to make this case. Some of the God’s mysteries have been revealed at the precise time that He desired. Mysteries remain to be revealed whether by me or by another.
I will add testimony to the roller coaster of a life that I have had just to end up in this spot at this time with this message! I will share that this message is not new for me. I’ve actually had a lot of this in my back pocket for several years. The extent to which it actually opened up is most definitely new to me. I whispered out loud, “Oh my God!” a few times as this was coming together all the way up to the last day of writing. I was in all honesty receiving new insight daily at the end. I would think I had it all, and then more would come to me. But also, I knew this day was coming. That knowledge too has been in my back pocket for a long time. I didn’t know it would be this. I’ve known that I’ve had a calling and I’ve been on the lookout for it to take shape. Never really seeing it open up but knowing it was coming. And then this happened. We’ll see where it goes, but I’ve had my own vision and I think I know a little. Time will tell.
So, in an attempt to be helpful...
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Now at the point of Messiah being cut off. Jesus is in the upper room for the last supper and He says this to his Disciples:
But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. (John 16:3)
Knowing that He would soon be carrying on his back the burdens of any and all other than his own through that gruesome and humiliating trek up the hill called Golgotha, He pleaded with them that He must go away and that He must go away for their advantage. God had been over us, and then for a moment, He was with us, but then He made it so that He could be upon us – “but not for Himself.”
However, when God was over them, His people were not content and rejected Him. When He was with them, His people were not accepting and rejected Him. Now that He can be upon them, His people are not approving and they reject Him.
What do I mean by this?
The first century church was filled with His Spirit and with power. Where is this Spirit and power that once flowed within the church visible now? The Spirit did not and does not cease. Rather, the church surrendered to the beast when the beast made it comfortable to do so. Now, in this day, churches have rejected Spiritual Gifts, and the pulpits even tell their people that the Spirit has ceased. Where is the Spirit without the Gifts of the Spirit. Who are these who say to the people who would come to God’s Spirit that the Spirit has ceased? What will God have in store for them who have said such things? Think we are educated enough that we need not the Spirit within us, the Spirit that He went to the cross so that His people could experience Him with?
When He was over them, He was distant. When He was in their presence, they had to follow Him and fight crowds to be with Him. He could never be with all, all at once had He not went away. But when He died, not only for our sins, but so that His Spirit could come to be within us, He made it so that we could be close to Him, because How much closer can we be to Him than when He is within us.
I would ask why must I feel so reserved with this message, but it’s because this message is again, not typically accepted. If that be the case, then I leave you to what comes next with nothing more than what you have. But if you want more, then open yourself up to there being more. We must reach out and find that Spirit and Power of the first century church. Those who tell you that it does not exist are in the best case ignorant! Convince someone who has experienced the Spirit that the Spirit is not real!
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As He spoke these words, many believed in Him. Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” They answered Him, “we are Abraham’s descendants, …”
“I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.” (From John 8:30-37)
Why would Jesus say this to them? He had made an awesome impression upon them and they wanted to know more about Him. They believed! Rather than share the gospel; “My yoke is easy, My burden is light,” etc., He, the Master, the Savior and Healer of the world tells them, “you seek to kill Me?” They obviously did not understand this accusation and resentment escalated. Jesus in response said, “You are of your father, the devil.” The moral is that man has always and will always reject God. Now, in this generation two thousand years later even with the gospels in our hands, were He to return to walk on earth again as a man, would He have any different message in this evil and adulterous generation?
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But Jesus, turning to them, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!’ Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” For if they do these things in the green wood, what will be done in the dry?” (Luke 23:28-31)
If one were to want to explain to that generation two-thousand years ago and identify the trademark of this generation in which we now live using a straightforward and signature description that those of that generation would begin to understand, what other description could be given? He said these things while hanging on the cross fighting for air surely anxious to be relieved from the body that had taken on all that shame, “Weep for yourselves and for your children.”
No author in that generation would have imagined such a statement other than through simply knowing the times that would be. Now that babies have been being killed in mass for the better part of our generation, the next actions will be to seek shelter from above through the hills and the mountains.
To be clear, with this verse, the message is to weep for our generation as we are defined by these behaviors and not necessarily because of these behaviors. It is too painful to think about the number of babies that are being murdered day after day for convenience. It is sorrowful to think that we live in a society that counts it’s babies for the acceptable level of burden. He said these things while hanging on a cross so that our sins could be forgiven!
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“For god so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”
We’ve all of course fallen short. Even to His peers who “wanted to kill” Him, He came so that they would not perish. The world will be condemned, but that is not why He came into it. His intention is that the world would be saved. The angel speaks with a loud voice because the intent is to save. The enemy destroys. He is our help, has been and will be!
Please get to know Him if you don’t know Him already.
I mean these things that I say. Through all of this, I have asked why me? I am not worthy. I have my past and it has shame. He started me on this journey many years ago. But He didn’t take this message from me and give to another. He didn’t burn down my house. He brought me back in in His time and I will forever be grateful. He brought me back in because that’s why He did what He did two-thousand years ago! He is vested in us all! Come to Him and find rest. It may not feel like rest I admit and sometimes that’s our own doing. But sometimes, He is working to make us stronger. Daniel fasted for twenty-one days before his visitor could get to him. But Daniel persisted and his visitor provided!
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In the mean time, why not read all of Matthew 24